SayHeyDeac's Thread For Serious Political Discourse Only--Trolls Need Not Apply

For those that are interested, more canvassers out in my neighborhood in Philly last night. This time not Hillary's campaign, but a group that supports her.
 
FuckmouthedRube said:
Thanks for the reassurance. Like Hopkins, but Toronto is one of only two MLB teams (Rays are the other) I've never seen play. Asking for a friend, but what are ballpark population level effects for a potential Charlie Manson of jays and hummingbirds? Thanks.
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That depends, is there density dependence in the system, allowing for demographic compensation, or are we talking about a strictly additive mortality type of situation?

In truth, I am out of my league here. Is there an MLB team called the hummingbirds now?
 
CantStandYa said:
Great question. Given all the weight that former VP candidates get, I'd have to say Pence. He'll have time to wash the Trump stink off him and he certainly can rally the base with his ultra-conservative policies. Kasich's window was this year - I don't think he runs again in 2020. Cruz is simply poison. He may have gained some credibility by dissing Trump at the convention, but he blew it by endorsing him.
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Bad news for Pence is that no losing VP candidate has ever been elected POTUS later since FDR. VP debates are snoozefests, but given the lack of enthusiasm among millenials for HRC and how artfully they set up Trump on the Khans and Machado, wouldn't be terribly surprised if campaign spent some resources and energy to expose Pence's long history of anti-LGBT legislation/activities. Pence has been flying under the radar, but he's every bit as homophobic as Huckabee, Bachmann, and Santorum.
 
birdman said:
That depends, is there density dependence in the system, allowing for demographic compensation, or are we talking about a strictly additive mortality type of situation?

In truth, I am out of my league here. Is there an MLB team called the hummingbirds now?
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Not major league, but there is one called that in the LA Valley Independent League- it's sponsored by porn producers.
 
birdman said:
In truth, I am out of my league here. Is there an MLB team called the hummingbirds now?
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There isn't, but there might have been if my friend hadn't depleted the population like a great country did with Indians and small pox blankets. Wouldn't know myself, but people are saying on Twitter thankfully it's extremely difficult to shoot hummingbirds with BB guns, so two or three youthful indiscretions wouldn't necessarily turn somebody into Bill Cosby decades later. That Atticus Finch dude was a smart and good mofo.
 
avalon said:
For those that are interested, more canvassers out in my neighborhood in Philly last night. This time not Hillary's campaign, but a group that supports her.
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Tell the canvassers to get minorities and under 34 year olds to answer their phones so CNN can conduct some legit polling
 
No can do, gotta screen. If the canvassers had tried to ask the number of questions CNN asks, I would've said good bye much sooner.
 
Deacon923 said:
Peter Beinart makes the case that Trump is the anti-jhmd conservative. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/trumps-abdication-of-personal-responsibility/501893/
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This is about as good of an argument against Trump as I have seen in this election. Any conservative who votes for Trump is ignoring their very core beliefs in the interest of preventing Clinton. And, notably, Clinton is saying all of those things that Reagan, Bushes, McCain, and Romney said, which I agree with wholeheartedly. She is the one on the trail talking about picking each other up, inclusion of all Americans towards the American dream, etc.


And it is on that point that jhmd and others refuse to accept that Democrats/liberals absolutely agree on personal responsibility and looking out for your neighbor, working hard together. To conflate supporting a safety net with not believing in the abilities of your fellow Americans is ludicrous, as is the canard that liberals nefariously pander to the poor for a secure voting bloc. It's playing politics with a virtue that both sides agree on, and could very well be a bridge the two parties could work together on to do some actual good, but it is squandered by partisan hacks dwelling in the gutter of the rightie echo chamber and stoking fear to sell ads on the radio and television.
 
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FuckmouthedRube said:
There isn't, but there might have been if my friend hadn't depleted the population like a great country did with Indians and small pox blankets. Wouldn't know myself, but people are saying on Twitter thankfully it's extremely difficult to shoot hummingbirds with BB guns, so two or three youthful indiscretions wouldn't necessarily turn somebody into Bill Cosby decades later. That Atticus Finch dude was a smart and good mofo.
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Ok, I think I get it now. I'd use a catastrophe model to develop predictions. It's a model that allows for the possibility of complete population collapse do to very rare stochastic events, like electing a sociopathic narcissist to the presidency, sometimes called a Black Swan event. I know a kid named, Baron, he's great with computers, he's incredible, plays mind kraft like you would not believe, literally unbelievable, believe me, I'll see if he can code one up and get your friend an answer.
 
Alabama might have had been shaky with slavery and pesky things like blowing up little girls in churches, but they've been solid in protecting the bird population from Atticus' time to the present day.

Ivanka may have been the brains of the Trump team (at least she and her hubby were able to do simple arithmetic on when the Bridgegate trial and the VP debate occurred), but young Baron Snowden knows all about the cyber. That sneaky little fuck can hack like a fiend and make it look the Russians did it. Hopefully he can work up one of them new fangled elitist models to figure out when the Trump U trial starts relative to the election. Young brainy Baron should teach poor Pops and half bro Gas Chamber Boy when to STFU.

Sorry for the thread drift from MLB. Lifelong Cubs/Yankees fan Hillary has to be pissed that her new BFF Mark Cuban got outbid for the Cubbies. Current Cubs owners, the Ricketts (one is NE Governor), are funding Project 45, an anti HRC SuperPAC.
 
WakeandBake said:
This is about as good of an argument against Trump as I have seen in this election. Any conservative who votes for Trump is ignoring their very core beliefs in the interest of preventing Clinton. And, notably, Clinton is saying all of those things that Reagan, Bushes, McCain, and Romney said, which I agree with wholeheartedly. She is the one on the trail talking about picking each other up, inclusion of all Americans towards the American dream, etc.


And it is on that point that jhmd and others refuse to accept that Democrats/liberals absolutely agree on personal responsibility and looking out for your neighbor, working hard together. To conflate supporting a safety net with not believing in the abilities of your fellow Americans is ludicrous, as is the canard that liberals nefariously pander to the poor for a secure voting bloc. It's playing politics with a virtue that both sides agree on, and could very well be a bridge the two parties could work together on to do some actual good, but it is squandered by partisan hacks dwelling in the gutter of the rightie echo chamber and stoking fear to sell ads on the radio and television.
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Love this post. To be fair, though, (at least from my viewpoint) it happens on both sides of the aisle.

But the observation that both sides agree on many similar virtues is spot on.

It's why I have always personally struggled with politics. Too many otherwise smart people spend all of their mental energy adhering to their party dogma, trying to explain why the other side is "wrong." Weird.
 
birdman said:
Haha, I never thought all my training in modeling migratory bird populations would be so valued on a Wake Forest politics board.

Also, sucks for those Blue Jays, but if it makes you feel better, it's doubtful that you had a population level effect.
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Shoot all the blue jays you want, if you can hit 'em, but remember it's a sin to kill a mockingbird.
 
FuckmouthedRube said:
Bad news for Pence is that no losing VP candidate has ever been elected POTUS later since FDR. VP debates are snoozefests, but given the lack of enthusiasm among millenials for HRC and how artfully they set up Trump on the Khans and Machado, wouldn't be terribly surprised if campaign spent some resources and energy to expose Pence's long history of anti-LGBT legislation/activities. Pence has been flying under the radar, but he's every bit as homophobic as Huckabee, Bachmann, and Santorum.
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Good point. Even in recent campaigns, no losing VP candidate was even nominated by their party four years later. Kemp '96, Lieberman '00, Edwards '04, Palin '08, and Ryan '12. Hell, most of them didn't even run, except the two Democrats. Of those three choices, I still think Pence is in the best shape, but clearly he's not going to be the nominee in 2020.
 
I think a lot of people voting for Trump may now be voting in favor of what they truly believed and wanted in a candidate while they were previously supporting "traditional" conservatives for lack of a better option in the binary system we have
 
CantStandYa said:
Good point. Even in recent campaigns, no losing VP candidate was even nominated by their party four years later. Kemp '96, Lieberman '00, Edwards '04, Palin '08, and Ryan '12. Hell, most of them didn't even run, except the two Democrats. Of those three choices, I still think Pence is in the best shape, but clearly he's not going to be the nominee in 2020.
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Definitely, all three are losers. Trump winning can change the magnitude of their loserness, but regardless, Cruz, Pence and Kasich (the gents posed in this question) are fighting to be the tallest dwarf. There are so many Pubs that come out of this election as future-less or serious niche candidates.

From your list, I have no idea what happened to Kemp, Lieberman basically switched parties, Edwards cheated on his dying wife, Palin chose a career in entertainment (went full retard), and Ryan very smartly distanced himself from the 2016 mess of candidates. Ryan is the only one who's not a political loser so far.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
I think a lot of people voting for Trump may now be voting in favor of what they truly believed and wanted in a candidate while they were previously supporting "traditional" conservatives for lack of a better option in the binary system we have
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That's the crux of the problem for the Tea Party-they have exactly the type of candidate they've pined for and still might not beat a decades long sworn enemy, who's severely damaged. McCain and Mitt were too moderate, so the alleged monster vote stayed home and pouted. Was absurd to believe they wouldn't crawl to the polls in 2012 when they had a second chance to vanquish Obama.

Should win the popular vote easily if there truly is a silent majority. Suspect it's a very vocal pissed off plurality that primarily resides in rural deep red states without major urban and suburban areas. 'Pubs are pretty much fucked in 2020 since the Oompa Loompa blowhard Death Star has destroyed their bench. The pit bull finally caught the car, but doesn't know what to do with it.

Clintons are pretty much screwed if Trump wins since they ruthlessly cleared the Dem field and will have lost to an emminently beatable opponent who destroyed the GOP brand. Biden, Warren, and Gillibrand would have cleaned up, but Biden and Warren's last window is 2016. Clintons are lucky that the Obamas are sucking it up for legacy purposes, but mostly because they truly despise Trump.
 
You have to figure with all the dough Clinton and her super PAC's have, they dump some into the VP debate to show everyone what an ultra-conservative, non-LGBT he is.
 
DeacWatcher said:
You have to figure with all the dough Clinton and her super PAC's have, they dump some into the VP debate to show everyone what an ultra-conservative, non-LGBT he is.
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Kaine is actually a really good opposition figure to someone like Pence. Kaine is a super religious Catholic, i.e., openly believes that abortion is bad and embraces the catechism wholeheartedly, but he also doesn't believe in "legislating his faith."

http://www.npr.org/2016/07/22/48712...ibes-the-veep-picks-life-as-a-devout-catholic

http://www.npr.org/2016/07/27/48766...is-one-of-racial-and-religious-reconciliation
 
birdman said:
Kaine is actually a really good opposition figure to someone like Pence. Kaine is a super religious Catholic, i.e., openly believes that abortion is bad and embraces the catechism wholeheartedly, but he also doesn't believe in "legislating his faith."

http://www.npr.org/2016/07/22/48712...ibes-the-veep-picks-life-as-a-devout-catholic

http://www.npr.org/2016/07/27/48766...is-one-of-racial-and-religious-reconciliation
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I've been surprised the Clinton campaign hasn't leveraged Kaine as much to go after religious voters who are horrified at Trump's behavior. The so-called "Bush Democrats".
 
CantStandYa said:
I've been surprised the Clinton campaign hasn't leveraged Kaine as much to go after religious voters who are horrified at Trump's behavior. The so-called "Bush Democrats".
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To be honest, the Clinton campaign has been flubbing on a lot of possibly beneficial campaign strategies.
 
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